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Learn your XHTML tags

Sun Apr 9, 2006 9:10 PM EDT
technology, newsvine, style, reference, tags, html, xhtml, styling
By Alec Ananian
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Aimed toward users who want to clean up their articles or seeds and make them more appealing, this reference will teach you how to make use of the XHTML at your disposal.

I've been seeing a lot of articles (and some seeds) lately that look very sloppy and can easily be fixed by using some of the XHTML tags allowed. Although I expect most tech-savvy Newsviners to already know what these tags do, I was surprised to see that there was no reference to these tags on the site. So, to help out a bit, here are some XHTML tags for all of you article authors and seeders that will help make your posts more appealing and therefore keeping members on the page:

Links <a>

Mainly used for links and anchors. However, for the purposes of Newsvine articles, they will only be used for links. Using a tags are simple yet effective. They allow you to assign certain text to point a link, rather than having a long URL in your article.

Example

I love <a href="http://www.newsvine.com">this</a> website.

Result

I love this website.

Bold Text <b>

Used to make certain text bold. Although it acts the same as the "strong" tag, proper XHTML conventions say that this tag should be used just to make things bold, not to place a strong emphasis on text. Note: The bold element is deprecated in proper XHTML. However, Newsvine will still accept the tag.

Example

I enjoy reading posts by <b>Newsvine Blog</b>.

Result

I enjoy reading posts by Newsvine Blog.

Block Quotation <blockquote>

Used for quotations. When posting a seed or article, you would put anything not said by you inside blockquote tags.

Example

I read the following from my physics book:
<blockquote>When charges flow through a surface, they can be positive, negative, or both. It is conventional to give the current the same direction as the flow of positive charge.</blockquote>

Result

I read the following from my physics book:

When charges flow through a surface, they can be positive, negative, or both. It is conventional to give the current the same direction as the flow of positive charge.

Line Break <br>

Used to create a line break in text. This tag acts as the "Enter" or "Return" key does in word processing. XHTML makes it mandatory to close your "br" tag. Although Newsvine will do this for you if you forget, it is best to get in the habit of writing your line breaks as <br />

Example

Here is my first paragraph.<br><br>
Here is my second paragraph.

Result

Here is my first paragraph.

Here is my second paragraph.

Code <code>

Used to place code in a post. Anything can be placed between these tags, but it was created for code. All text between these tags will be rendered as font Lucida Console size 9.

Example

The following is an example of Java code:
<code>for(int i=0; i<=10; i++) sum+=i;</code>

Result

The following is an example of Java code:
for(int i=0; i<=10; i++) sum+=i;

Definition List <dl>, Definition Term <dt>, Definition Description <dd>

The three of these tags are all used together to make a list of definitions. The "dl" tag starts the actual list of definitions, similar to "ul", the "dt" tag defines the first term to be listed, and the "dd" tag is the definition of that term.

Example

<dl>
<dt>The Wire</dt>
<dd>A continuously updated stream of articles from The Associated Press and ESPN.</dd>
<dt>The Vine</dt>
<dd>A stream of content submitted by members of the Newsvine community.</dd>
</dl>

Result

The Wire
A continuously updated stream of articles from The Associated Press and ESPN.
The Vine
A stream of content submitted by members of the Newsvine community.

Deleted Text <del>

Used to describe something that is no longer applicable. This tag renders text in a red font color and with a strikethrough.

Example

<del>Newsvine is still a private beta.</del>

Result

Newsvine is still a private beta.

Emphasized Text <em>

Used to place emphasis on certain text. All text between these tags will be rendered in italics. It is true that this tag produces the same effect as <i>, but it is more proper to use <em> when text should be emphasized.

Example

I <em>really</em> love cheese.

Result

I really love cheese.

Headings <h2>,<h3>,<h4>

Used for special headings on pages. Regular XHTML allows for six different headings, but I'm assuming the others are being used up by different aspects of the Newsvine page layout. The only thing to remember for these tags is that the order of sizes (from largest to smallest) is h2, h3, h4.

Example

<h2>Heading 2</h2>
<h3>Heading 3</h3>
<h4>Heading 4</h4>

Result

Heading 2

Heading 3

Heading 4

Italicized Text <i>

Used to render text in italics. It produces the same effect as the "em" tag, but shouldn't be used for emphasis.Note: The italics element is deprecated in proper XHTML. However, Newsvine will still accept the tag.

Example

Normal text. <i>Italic text.</i>

Result

Normal text. Italic text.

Inserted text <ins>

Used to describe text that has been recently inserted in an article (usually after an edit). The text is rendered in a green font color.

Example

<ins>UPDATE: Breaking news</ins>

Result

UPDATE: Breaking news

Ordered Lists <ol>, Unordered Lists <ul>, List Items <li>

The three of these tags pretty much go together. Use the "ol" tag to produce an ordered, numbered list. Use the "ul" tag to produce an unordered, bulleted list. The "li" tag is used to define the items inside the list. This is probably one of the most used XHTML tags here on Newsvine that don't involve links or rendering text.

Example

<ol>
<li>First list item</li>
<li>Second list item</li>
</ol>
<ul>
<li>First list item</li>
<li>Second list item</li>
</ul>

Result

  1. First list item
  2. Second list item
  • First list item
  • Second list item

Paragraphs <p>

Used to sort text into paragraphs. This tag, in its original form, is not needed while making Newsvine posts, but special styles may be of use. The two most used styles for paragraphs used on Newsvine are "leadin" and "copyright".

Example

<p class="leadin">This is the summary of your article that goes at the top, usually to hook readers.</p>
<p class="copyright">If you are using an image or article that you are not the original creator of, use this copyright style to give credit where it is due.</p>

Result

This is the summary of your article that goes at the top, usually to hook readers.

If you are using an image or article that you are not the original creator of, use this copyright style to give credit where it is due.

Preformatted Text <pre>

XHTML, as many other programming languages do, ignores white spaces. However, any text between "pre" tags will display how they are typed. The text will also be rendered in Lucida Console size 9.

Example

This white           space is gone.
<pre>This white         space remains.</pre>

Result

This white space is gone.

This white         space remains.

Quotations <q>

Similar to the "blockquote" tag, but it renders text differently. Instead of indenting the text and styling it in a little box, the "q" tag will simply put quotation marks around the quoted text.

Example

Our great president once said, <q>I can only speak to myself.</q>

Result

Our great president once said, I can only speak to myself.

Strong Text<strong>

Renders text the same as the bold element. However, unlike the bold element, the strong element is used to put strong emphasis on certain text.

Example

I <strong>REALLY</strong> love cheese.

Result

I REALLY love cheese.

Questions and comments are welcome. If you have any ideas how I can improve this reference, let me know!

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Aine MacDermot

Good guide.

But I disagree that you can ignore closing those <br> tags, even if this site does it for you. People should get used to doing it the right way, so they learn it, because not all sites will do it for you.

Empty tags are not allowed in XHTML.
The <hr> and <br> tags should be replaced with <hr /> and <br />

Other than that, I love the idea of people learning to use XHTML (and CSS), and I think it should be encouraged. So thank you for posting this article.

:)

  • 14 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 4:43 PM EDT
Alec AnanianRestored

Yeah, I agree.

Anything that doesn't have it's own closing tag (img, link, etc) needs that closing tag added at the end as well.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 6:24 PM EDT
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AHB

I like the idea, but I think you need to keep it simple. Distinguishing between bold and strong will just confuse most people. I would only have things here that would add to the article. I don't think that having correct XHTML coding will make any difference 99% of the time and it will only end up discouraging people.

    Reply#2 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 5:21 PM EDT
    Alec Ananian

    Well, I just went over all of the XHTML tags available to use on Newsvine. I'd think its more confusing not knowing what the tags do rather than knowing you have the ability to choose between two.

    • 9 votes
    #2.1 - Sat Apr 8, 2006 6:35 PM EDT
    Killfile

    Technically speaking you shouldn't choose. Bold and Italics are both, as I recall, depricated tags. They XHTML standard - Strong and Emphasis - allows, linguistically, for the tags interpretation in non-text based environments.

    A screen reader will have a strong or an emphasized inflection when "reading" words within those tags. Bold and Italics do not corresponded to such an inflection.

    Newsvine is supposed to be 508 compliant but of course that's hard to enforce. We can help out though by using the correct XHTML tags and not their depricated cousins.

    • 5 votes
    #2.2 - Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:51 AM EST
    Adam Hobson

    Bold and Italics are both, as I recall, depricated tags. They XHTML standard - Strong and Emphasis - allows, linguistically, for the tags interpretation in non-text based environments.

    I've always thought that was a mistake, less so getting rid of bold than italic. The thing is, sometimes you want to italicize things that aren't emphasized, for example the title of a book, the name of a ship, or a word in another language. Emphasis really isn't the proper semantic tag for these types of italicization and actual plain italics are needed.

    That's why I'm glad that HTML 5 will bring back the bold and italics tag.

    • 1 vote
    #2.3 - Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:00 PM EST
    Forest Browne

    Damn guys, they are hurting themselves using these tags. I wonder how many people try and write here but can't because there is just too much to know. I know from personal experience that it is just as easy to upload a Word doc, or even to use the comments engine, which has enough bells and whistles to satisfy most users.

    Not only would it be easier, but I'll bet participation would rise appreciably.

    Forest

    • 3 votes
    #2.4 - Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:00 PM EST
    Andimia

    nice article! I do recommend closing all tags even line break. It's a great habit to get into. I do XML coding every day at work and the most annoying thing is when a document isn't valid because somebody saved without closing tags. It is a big pain in the butt going through 98,000 lines of code to find the one broken tag.

    • 2 votes
    #2.5 - Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:11 PM EST
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    John Patrick

    It's always handy to provide a reference to anything people may or may not use. Well done. :)

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 7:14 AM EDT
    marqmike2

    They should use this article as a guide for the rest of the users, like put it in the help section or something.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 1:33 PM EDT
    Ooble

    Just thought I'd point out that tags such as <b> and <i> aren't really legitimate XHTML - they've been deprecated in favour of <strong> and <em>. People should therefore be discouraged from using them.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 2:20 PM EDT
    Alec Ananian

    Thanks for pointing that out - I wasn't positive as to whether or not they were deprecated. I'll add that to the article in just a bit!

    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Sun Apr 9, 2006 2:25 PM EDT
    Reply
    orsusExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    You do know that the headings start at h1?
    And an element dont reflect a textsize or style, thats the whole point of html, its markup, so it only says that this is the first - sixth heading. You should never use a h3 instead of a h2 just coz you need that font and textsize.

    Why do you write such an "article" when you really dont know what you are talking about?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#6 - Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:45 AM EDT
    Adam Hobson

    The point of the article was XHTLM as relating to newsvine, where h1 is not an available tag.

    Why do you write such a "comment" when you clearly did not read the article in question very carefully?

    I actually feel that this article is a very good compromise between the "applied," how tags affect readability at newsvine, and the "theory," XHTML and proper markup in the broader sense.

    • 7 votes
    #6.1 - Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:15 AM EDT
    marqmike2

    Don't be talking down to him. He knows more than I, and probably more than you.

    • 1 vote
    #6.2 - Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:31 PM EDT
    Ooble

    A man with a doctorate in physics knows more about dark matter than me too, but when he's wrong about it, he's wrong. He's not less wrong because he's clever. But if you want an expert's opinion on this, as a web developer, I can tell you that Newsvine doesn't allow the use of the <h1> tag. I know this because they tell me:

    (XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)

    • 3 votes
    #6.3 - Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:04 PM EDT
    orsus

    And to shift to ontopic and not way of as the last two(sorry bout that):
    You can have several h1 in one document, but on this site the markup structure would be wrong by allowing another h1 in an article.
    I think allowing h2 is a bit fichy to actually, coz the article title would be h2.

      #6.4 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:57 PM EDT
      Alec Ananian

      h1 is reserved for article titles. I'm not sure what h5 and h6 are used for, though.

      • 1 vote
      #6.5 - Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:25 PM EDT
      Reply
      orsus

      Take a look at Elements of meaningful XHTML There you can really learn something.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#7 - Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:49 AM EDT
      Alec Ananian

      This isn't really for learning and becoming proficient at XHTML. It's for learning (and seeing examples of) the tags that Newsvine supports. I don't know how many times that has been made clear...

      • 17 votes
      Reply#8 - Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:40 PM EDT
      John Patrick

      Looks like you've got some unhappy commenters here. What is wrong with these people, why do they take offense at the slightest things?

      • 11 votes
      Reply#9 - Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:12 PM EDT
      akwea

      The "code element" at times may need some tweaking:

      Note: If you use reserved HTML within your code snippet or elsewhere within your HTML markup, such as the ampersand &, less-than sign <, or greater-than sign >, you must escape them with their character entities, such as what is shown in the example above.

      I just figured this out today when writing an article...

      • 4 votes
      Reply#10 - Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:59 AM EST
      Pamela Drew

      Well thank you for this. I have never done any HTML, without the click on automatic things here on the comments. I might just be brave enough now to try. If I do, and there's a bit of bold text in my article, you will know it's your doing. Don't hold your breath for me to catch on though, some old dogs aren't as good with the new tricks. :~) I will clip this!!

      • 7 votes
      Reply#11 - Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:34 PM EST
      Pamela Drew

      Just to update, I finally tried to do delete today and this is where I got it. Thank you!!

      • 3 votes
      #11.1 - Mon May 5, 2008 11:01 PM EDT
      rottlady

      I use this article at least once a month! It's a great resource...

      • 3 votes
      #11.2 - Mon May 5, 2008 11:05 PM EDT
      Pamela Drew

      Now that I've doubled my tagging skills from block quote, to that and delete, maybe the confidence will inspire me to go for a few more. At this rate when I'm 94 I'll be using the control keys too!! :~)

      • 3 votes
      #11.3 - Tue May 6, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
      Reply
      ErinK

      Great article Alec! I know this might be a little off topic, but can you explain what the difference is between XHTML and HTML? Is XHTML just an extension of HTML, or is it another entity entirely?

      Thanks also, from both your article and the comments, for the clarification of strong and em tags vs. b and i tags.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#12 - Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:29 AM EST
      Alec Ananian

      XHTML is more focused on web standards than HTML. They essentially use the same tags, it's just that XHTML is supposed to be written with much stricter guildelines. For example, with HTML it's okay to not close your <p> tags, but with XHTML it is necessary.

      • 4 votes
      #12.1 - Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:18 AM EST
      miasma

      X means extensible.
      (see I showed restraint and didn't start talking about how they are both derived from SGML)

      Thanks for this article though. I am going to gank it all and put it on my work intranet for my users.

      • 1 vote
      #12.2 - Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:55 PM EST
      Reply
      akwea

      Interesting that a new comment on an old article spurs new activity... Cool...

      By the way Alec, I forgot to say thanks for this article. It was the launchpad to my further search that got me the solution... : )

      • 1 vote
      Reply#13 - Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:31 AM EST
      Alec Ananian

      Yeah, it's great to see more [positive] activity here. Also, glad I could help - that's what the article was meant for! ;)

      • 2 votes
      #13.1 - Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:33 PM EST
      Reply
      Catch22

      What tags do you use so that you can have both an example and result (i.e. what keeps the example from looking like the result?

      (Nice brief summary for lay people).

      • 3 votes
      Reply#14 - Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:30 PM EST
      Alec Ananian

      &lt; is the HTML code for the less-than sign, and &gt; is for greater-than:

      &lt; = <
      &gt; = >

      And for that example i'm doing & amp; & lt; (without the spaces) :P

      • 2 votes
      #14.1 - Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:32 PM EST
      akwea

      For the code I posted on my article I mentioned above I used this crazy mess:


      <dl><dd><p><code>
      &lt;font face=Arial size=2&gt;
      ----- Original Message ----- &lt;br /&gt;
      &lt;!--@A@--&gt;&lt;b&gt;From:&lt;/b&gt; @A@&lt;!--@A@--&gt;
      &lt;!--@R@--&gt;&lt;b&gt;To:&lt;/b&gt; @R@&lt;!--@R@--&gt;
      &lt;!--@C@--&gt;&lt;b&gt;CC:&lt;/b&gt; @C@&lt;!--@C@--&gt;
      &lt;!--@D@--&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sent:&lt;/b&gt; @D@&lt;!--@D@--&gt;
      &lt;!--@S@--&gt;&lt;b&gt;Subject:&lt;/b&gt; @S@<!--@S@--&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/font&gt;
      </code></p></dd></dl>

      And to post this code here, I had to reverse the &gt; and &lt; using what Alec just suggested above!!

      : )

      • 2 votes
      #14.2 - Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:36 AM EST
      Suzi Gravenstuk

      That looks outrageously painful.

      • 1 vote
      #14.3 - Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:45 PM EST
      Reply
      Alec AnanianDeleted
      Dr Blockbuster

      Hi,

      Dr Blockbuster is new to Newsvine but he is an expert in many fields (:wink:) ... that including forums, waterskiing on lochs and drinking irn-bru (diet) with the kilt on preferably! Ha!

      Scho .. whilst I am used to do 000,s of posts ... XHMTL is still a wee mystery for me cos I'm used to clicking on buttons for[b] and [/b] etc etc

      SO .. here's a laugh ... I went off site .. off Newsvine to google and check what some of these were .. and guess what .. it brought me straight back to this article !!!!!!!!!!!!! Yesch it didddddddddd! (:roflmAo:)

      Scho .. thanks very much Alec !!!!!!!

      (now if I could just find out how to position pics correctly ... :smiles: )

      • 2 votes
      Reply#16 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 10:30 PM EDT
      Dr Blockbuster

      Hi Alec,

      I need to say more (HA!)

      Having struggled for 73 hours and 2 minutes to do a one line entry with proper preeeeezentation, I think you or a cohort (good word eh?) should write a long list of codes for learners like myself.

      Maybeeee I'll show you how to play tennis, receive calls from Sean Connery, and deal in spot bullion in return.

      What do you think ????

      • 1 vote
      Reply#17 - Tue Jun 5, 2007 12:05 AM EDT
      Dr Blockbuster

      I still like this!

      • 1 vote
      Reply#18 - Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:25 AM EST
      CarpeDiem

      One thing I miss here in HTML is the ability to underline words or phrases like in a word processing program.

      Interestingly, if I type <u>testing</u> as I am entering a comment, in the Comment Preview I do indeed see my word underlined like in a word processing program (in the example given here, the word "testing" would be underlined in the preview window), but the moment I post the comment, the underlining disappears completely (hmm...).

      So, I assume there is no underline in HTML proper?

      Then, why does it work OK in the preview (...and, of course, by logical extension, IF it works in the preview, why can't we then use it in our Newsvine posts since it has meaning in most traditional forms of writing and expression)?

      It's so inconsistent that it works well in the preview but not in the post! It'd sure be nice to have it last into the post session!

      • 1 vote
      Reply#19 - Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:18 PM EST
      Alec Ananian

      You can underline something by typing & lt; u & gt; (without the spaces). <u>Hey there look at me</u>

      This is because Newsvine parses the real tag to not display (as it's not in the supported list). What I did basically forces the tag into the text, and apparently Newsvine doesn't have a way of getting around that :P

      • 1 vote
      Reply#20 - Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:44 AM EDT
      Alec Ananian

      Nevermind - now I see what you mean. It worked during the still-editable mode but went back to plain text afterwards. Yeah, Newsvine has their defenses up on everything except the allowed XHTML tags. Which is a good thing really because I tested out an "iframe" to see if it would work - and it did in the preview. Basically, anybody could come here and include a chunk of a website in their comments - you can see how that would not end up very well :P

      • 1 vote
      #20.1 - Wed Apr 2, 2008 2:50 AM EDT
      Reply
      Erik the Read

      I do wish there was a xhtml-code for keeping all these codes in my head. Though I did some coding years ago, I discover that the cupboard in my head is bare. :-(

      I think a Newsvine thread, as a whole, presents a calm, quiet, easy-to-read layout. The borders and discrete colour usage renders the page easy to understand and easy on the eye. If people use lists and emphasis, the layout will be fine, but if those h's, h2-h4, became popular, I am afraid we'd have a visual

      mess. Fortunately, they don't seem to work in this space. Let's see what happens when I post this :-)

      I miss the ability to produce non-English characters in a secure way. Actually, it will be all right as long as I don't try correcting the text after posting it. Having a Norwegian keyboard I can write the some characters directly by one touch, "ΓΈ", but I can also write the html code ø. Newsvine will interpret that code - whether I want to or not. But, like I said, if I try some late editing, then I get characters I have never seen in my life.

      As to the finer nuances of the Eglish language, as discussed "Is this really emphasis?" is BS. 90% of html users are not English speakers, I don't think they much care. They use the code and don't much care about the deeper meaning of each.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#21 - Tue May 6, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
      steve9001

      Thanks Alec, From those of us pre-html coders who dont have the ambition or time to keep up anymore. This should be on the help pages.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#22 - Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
      Division by Zero

      I had forgotten this was out there. This was one of the most helplful pages in my early days on Newsvine.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#23 - Mon Mar 9, 2009 12:45 AM EDT
      Suzi Gravenstuk

      Wow, I have been wysiwig dependent. However, I will be seriously motivated to learn xwhatever if I could be given the codes to customize my column such as Aine MacDermot has done. But, with my own uniqueness.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#24 - Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:43 PM EST
      Leave a Comment:
      You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
      You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
      (XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
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